T-Windows 10 FORCING upgrade!!!

posted May 31, 2016, 8:26 AM by WECB640
Just more "trickery" from Microsoft.  Savvy tech users are really quite upset AND FOR GOOD REASON!

The following is an excerpt from "Security Now - episode 561" aired May 24, 2016 on Twit.tv

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Steve: So, yeah, a couple bits of miscellany. I wanted to note that, as a consequence of Microsoft's latest Get Windows 10 shenanigans, which has everybody really upset, Graham Cluley, who's been writing in the industry forever, he wrote a piece this morning with the headline, "Microsoft has a dirty little Windows 10 upgrade trick up its sleeve. Clicking 'X' won't stop your PC upgrading to Windows 10."
Leo: Oh, no. Yeah, we were showing that window.
Steve: Yeah.
Leo: You can't just close the window?
Steve: No. No. And in fact I'm going to read something from someone we all know, and I'm not going to tell anybody who it is first. So the title was "Upgradegate: Microsoft's Upgrade Deceptions Are Undermining Windows 10." This author says: "For months now, I've complained about the software giant's heavy-handed tactics in trying to trick customers into upgrading to Windows 10. But a recent change to the Get Windows 10 advertisement that is forced on Windows 7 and 8.1 users takes things entirely too far. This is indefensible. Frankly, this entire episode has been indefensible, with Microsoft introducing a non-stoppable, non-hideable advertisement on several hundred million PCs from around the world, and then upgrading that advertisement to thwart those who do seek to remove or hide it. It has changed the language of the ad, made no clear cancel choice available, and jammed it into the recommended updates that auto-install via Windows Update. If you read this site," writes this author, "listen to Windows Weekly or What the Tech, you know how bad things are. It's been a constant refrain."

And this author writes, "Well, I've had it. Last week Microsoft silently changed Get Windows 10 yet again, and this time it has gone beyond the social engineering scheme that has been fooling people into inadvertently upgrading to Windows 10 for months. This time, it actually changed the behavior of the window that appears so that, if you click the close window box, you are actually agreeing..."

Leo: No. You're kidding me.
Steve: No. "You are actually agreeing to the upgrade, without you knowing what just happened."
Leo: Oh, my god.
Steve: "Previously, closing this window would correctly signal that you do not want the upgrade. So Microsoft did not change the wording in the window. It didn't make an Upgrade Now button bigger, or a nonexistent Don't Ever Upgrade button smaller. It pulled a switcheroonie. It's like going out to your car in the morning and discovering that the gas pedal now applies the brakes, while the brake pedal washes the windshield. What a fun commute. The violation of trust here is almost indescribable. It's bad enough that Microsoft has been training Windows 7 and 8.1 users, i.e., most Windows users, to not trust Windows 10 because of this horrible unstoppable advertisement, but now they will not trust their own sanity because all they'll remember is that they dismissed the advertisement by clicking the Close Windows box. "Why on earth did Windows 10 just install on my PC?" Why on earth, indeed.

"Coupled with the growth of clean personal computing platforms like Chromebooks and Macs, and the fact that Microsoft cannot convince its own PC maker partners to not ruin the Windows experience with crapware, one has to wonder: Is this all part of some plan to destroy Windows from within? I mean, seriously. You couldn't write a dumber story about how to ruin something that is otherwise as wonderful as Windows 10. My god, Microsoft, just stop.

"And for you Windows 7 and 8.1 holdouts out there, please feel free to utilize a third-party utility like Steve Gibson's Never10 to hide the Get Windows 10 advertisement from appearing and prevent Windows 10 from silently downloading to and upgrading your PC. You shouldn't be treated like this, but at least you can stand up for yourselves." And that piece was written this morning by our friend Paul Thurrott.

Leo: No, I could tell. And of course we'll talk about it tomorrow. So just to be clear, this window is not new. It's a terrible window to begin with because it says Windows 10 is a recommended update, and you have two choices: the OK button, which will start the installation, and where you would normally see a Cancel button, Upgrade Now button. So that's the same thing.
Steve: Well, now, and remember that there was a previous version that had two buttons. One was Upgrade Now, and the other was Upgrade Later.
Leo: Well, that's what OK does because OK will do it later tonight.
Steve: Correct.
Leo: Now, here's the button you need to click. It's not the "X" button. It's the Click Here to Change Upgrade Schedule or Cancel Scheduled Upgrade. And it's not obvious that you want to click that link, that blue link underneath the date and time.
Steve: And it's not even underlined.
Leo: No. I mean, if you hit Return, it would be okay. The thing that's upsetting Paul is upsetting, which is in every other case hitting the "X" would indicate cancel. They're not even letting you do that. You have to - the only way out at this point is to Click Here and then say no. And then does Never10 stop this particular thing?
Steve: Oh, yeah.
Leo: Yeah, you don't see this.
Steve: Yeah, it just all goes away.
Leo: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah. So what's interesting is there has been a skyrocketing explosion of downloads.
Leo: Oh, it's terrible.
Steve: We're at, when I looked this morning, a total of 535,000 downloads, and we're tracking at more than 25,000 copies of Never10 per day.
Leo: Microsoft's become the Borg.
Steve: Wow.
Leo: Resistance is futile.
Steve: And again, I'm Steve "I Love Windows" Gibson. This is not anti-Windows. This is anti-Microsoft. This is like, as Paul wrote - and we know Paul's not anti-Windows. In fact, he did a piece over the weekend, he installed a brand new Windows 7 and was tweeting through the experience. Actually it was pretty much all day Friday, like I can't believe it's this slow. I can't believe I still have - he says, I'm going to go out and have some more kids and come back, and I'm still going to - this thing won't be updated.
Leo: So we're going to make this the TWiT Bit for the show. Patrick Delahanty's saying this in the chatroom, and I agree, Patrick. This will be our TWiT Bit. And we will put this on our YouTube TWiT Bits channel, which is YouTube.com/twit. So you can link to it. It'll just be a couple of minutes of Steve talking about this, us showing the dialogue box, where to click, and the warning. And I think Patrick wants to share it with friends and family, and I think others may well, as well. So this is, right here, the little snippet from Security Now! we're going to put up.
Steve: Well, and what's sad is, oh, my god, there were 232 responses, an hour after Paul posted this. And the first three of them were people telling stories, like from this morning, getting tech support calls from people saying, "Nothing works. I got up this morning, and my computer is broken," and so forth.
Leo: And one last piece to the TWiT Bit: GRC.com, is it /never10?
Steve: Yeah, that'll get you there.
Leo: Slash N-E-V-E-R-1-0. The thing I want to really emphasize is Steve writes this in assembly language. It's a few hundred bytes. You download it. A few hundred kilobytes. Right? It's under - it's a megabyte.
Steve: 81.
Leo: 81 kilobytes?
Steve: Yup.
Leo: You download it. You run it. It is using Microsoft's approved method, the method that they prescribe to enterprises so that, you know, enterprises don't want to see this in their business.
Steve: Right.
Leo: That makes the edits that group policy editor would make; right?
Steve: Correct.
Leo: The registry changes. So unless Microsoft really gets crazy, which they could, this will work forever. And you can then delete the program. You don't have to keep the program. It's made those edits in your registry, and you're done.
Steve: Correct.
Leo: It will also, if you check the box, uninstall, you see this "Remove Win10 Files"? What a lot of people don't realize is, even before this comes up, Microsoft has been in the background secretly downloading the Windows 10 installer.
Steve: About 6.5GB of Windows 10, ready to land on your drive.
Leo: Once it's expanded, it's giant. And so that's sitting on your hard drive right now. So there's a button on here that says Remove Windows 10 Files. Do that before you delete the program. And as far as we know, this is not going to ever happen again.
Steve: Correct.
Leo: Once you run this Never10.
Steve: Correct. With all of the instances out there, there's been no report of anyone who's run it ever being harassed again. And for what it's worth...
Leo: And that makes sense because Microsoft's not going to cheese off their big enterprise customers. That's...
Steve: They can't, no. It's like on their site. It's that page. And I'm actually, the way this has turned out, I'm happy for. It's not, again, I don't have anything against people upgrading to Windows 10 if they want to. The whole point is, for whatever reason, people don't. And they should have the right to be able to control that, not to. And essentially Microsoft is overriding their will. What I'm pleased about is that, when the Microsoft documentation first appeared, we talked about it on this podcast. And it was like, you know, your eyes crossed over, like, trying to navigate through the registry and...
Leo: Oh, yeah. And no normal user should be asked to edit their registry. That's just a recipe for disaster. That's terrible.
Steve: Right. And so I stole a week from the work on SQRL because I just thought, you know, this needs to be simpler. There was that GWX control panel, but it was hundreds of somethings, I mean, it was big, and it was covered with buttons. And I looked at it and was confused by, it's like, well, okay, all I want to do is not have this pop up. And so I thought, okay, I've just got to fix this.

What I'm really pleased about is that this Never10 launched sometime, I think it was like early in March. And so it had enough time to be around and to get some traction so that now, in this last week, when it's really become a problem, everyone knows that it exists. And so people are, I mean, I'm seeing tweets about it constantly. And as I said, 25,000 copies a day now. So it's...

Leo: Yeah, and I'm going to say I like Windows 10. I mean, it's not that we're - you might not like Windows 10 for the privacy reasons. But it's not so much that it's - and I know Paul loves Windows 10. It's not so much that we're saying, oh, you don't want Windows 10. You should have the right to choose. And no company should ever trick you, trick you into installing an upgrade like that. It's a massive upgrade. It does break some systems. It does break some software. It should not be forced on you.
Steve: But mostly it's for grandmothers who, like, have figured out how to use 7.
Leo: Makes me cry. Yeah, makes me cry.
Steve: It's not like an iOS update, 9.3.2 goes to 9.3.3, where nothing changes, essentially. The move from 7 to 10 is like, what happened? I mean, it's just like, wow. And Paul used a term - he posted over the weekend before this morning's posting, where he used just exactly the right term. He talked about "Windows enthusiasts." And I thought, yeah, I like that because that's not me. I am a user.
Leo: Yeah.
Steve: I'm, you know, for me it's a tool. But I get it. I mean, that someone could just want to play with the latest and greatest, a Windows enthusiast. And so of course you're going to want Windows 10. And you wanted 8, and 8.1, and you're going to follow the train. And for me, it's like, I want stability. I just want it to run my programs and for me to use it as a tool. An enthusiast here I'm not. So, but I liked the differentiation that he made over the weekend. I thought that was really good because, you know, he is one. And a lot of people who are using Windows 10, it's like, yeah, I want the latest Windows. Cool.
Leo: Right, yeah. But they should get to choose.
Steve: Yeah. I'll just also say that I've listened to you guys, I think it was last week, wondering whether the upgrade would end. That is, are they going to terminate it? And I have to think...
Leo: They say they're going to make people pay starting July 29th.
Steve: Yeah. And I have to think that, with this much backlash, with this, I mean, Microsoft can't be deaf to everything that's being written. Brad, it looks like Chacos, C-H-A-C-O-S, who's the senior editor of PC World, he wrote that it is a nasty trick. He said: "So after more than half a year of teaching people that the only way to say 'no thanks' to Windows 10 is to exit the GWX application, and refusing to allow users to disable the pop-up in any obvious manner, so that they had to press "X" over and over again during those six months to the point that most people probably just click it without reading now..."
Leo: Oh, they trained you, yeah. Wow.
Steve: "...Microsoft just made it so that very behavior accepts the Windows 10 upgrade instead, rather than canceling it."
Leo: Yeah. Isn't that interesting.
Steve: Ugh.
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